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Thursday, November 5, 2020

Fisher Investments Canada 15-Minute Retirement Plan

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On Sat., July 31th, my Million Dollar Portfolio DEMO sat at $1,237,441. This is after making PAPER monthly withdrawals totalling $29,970. $3,330 was withdrawn monthly to cover living expenses in retirement.

 


The screen grab below shows the balance as of Saturday, June 26th.

Fisher Investments Canada sent me its 15-Minute Retirement Plan. It was a very informative brochure. The well respected investment management firm examined various investment and withdrawal strategies appropriate for retired seniors. 

I was surprised the strategy I am using was not among those that Fisher examined. Why the surprise? A fellow at TD told me that he had other clients using the same withdrawal approach. He considered my approach a reasonable withdrawal strategy for a RRIF holder.

My strategy? I meet the mandatory withdrawal rules by transferring investments in-kind from my RIFs and LIF into TFSAs and non-registered accounts. I never sell equities or ETFs to meet the annual mandatory withdrawal requirements. As these in-kind transfers are made to cover mandatory withdrawal demands, there is no immediate withholding tax. But note, the tax must be paid the following year. 

To cover living expenses in retirement, I withdraw dividend income. I have 30% withheld on these cash withdrawals. By making these tax payments quite generous, the withdrawals essentially cover the future income tax due on both the cash withdrawals and in-kind transfers.

I have used this RIF and LIF withdrawal approach with success for over a dozen years in retirement.

Fisher Investments Canada warns, "One of the biggest risks an investor faces is running out of money in retirement." I agree. As the Fisher brochure points out, someone who is 65 years old can reasonably expect to hit 85. A 65-year-old must plan for the retirement portfolio to last two full decades. More would be nice. Fisher Investments Canada is offering some good advice here. No argument.

Fisher looked at five scenarios but I was interested in only one. The first two scenarios were too generous as Fisher itself pointed out. Fisher calculated that if one withdraws 10% annually, or even just 7% annually, the money will not last. The third scenario used a 5% withdrawal rate but even at 5% the Fisher portfolio could be depleted before the passing of two decades.

For a safe withdrawal rate, Fisher Investments Canada seems to be recommending 3%. With a million dollar portfolio at retirement that would mean one is only allowed a withdrawal of $30,000 a year. I could not get by on such an amount and I don't. And I don't have a million dollar portfolio either.

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Here, I am inserting my latest feelings on the 3% withdrawal rate recommended by Fisher Investments Canada. The percent one can withdraw, before one must sell some equities, varies. If one is lucky enough to buy when the market is down, removing 4% or more may be quite reasonable. If the market is roaring to new highs with equities fully valued and then some, even a 3% withdrawal rate can be tough to achieve if one is just entering the market.

When I retired, my dividend paying investments were, for the most part, all yielding well above 4%. After more than a dozen years in retirement, my portfolio has grown and although the income has also grown in absolute numbers, my dividend income has not grown enough to maintain the 4% yield. My yield today is 3.3%

Does this mean it impossible to design a portfolio today to support a 4% withdrawal rate? It may be harder but it is not impossible. The telecoms are still paying better than 4%. Telus yields 4.07%, BCE yields 5.39%. Pipelines are another place to find yield. Enbridge yields 6.14% and TC Energy yields 5.3%. The REITS are another good source for yield. I like two ETFs: XRE and RIT. Both yield more than 4% today. A few Canadian banks are still yielding more than 4%. CIBC delivers 4.53%. Some utilities also meet out 4% yield requirement. For instance, Emera is yielding 4.27% today. Toss in an ETF like XUS for some exposure to the American market and you might have a workable portfolio.

Companies like Fisher seem to know their stuff. No argument. Still, I am happy not paying a financial advisor. My gut tells me the cost of a financial advisor would be a big burden on my retirement portfolio. Only time will tell.

 And now to return to my original post . . .

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I decided to try my hand at investing a million dollars with the goal of growing the portfolio while simultaneously providing income throughout the retirement years. I created a demo portfolio using TD WebBroker software. I took two cracks at doing this with the second attempt using a more diverse selection of stocks. I looked carefully at my own holdings to create my posted Million Dollar Portfolio. I tracked this demo portfolio for more than a year before software glitches caused me to stop.

My Million Dollar Portfolio had no bonds. Interest rates were simply too low. I didn't have bonds in my personal portfolio and I didn't miss them. My personal retirement portfolio is a mix of stocks and ETFs and it is larger today than when I retired eleven years ago. This is despite my having withdrawn cash every year to cover living expense in retirement. 

To clarify what I wrote earlier, I withdrew all the dividend income up to a maximum of 4%. I also met my mandatory withdrawals from my RIFs and LIFs by making in-kind withdrawals with the transfers going to either a TFSA or a non-registered self-directed account. Because these are mandatory withdrawals, no tax is withheld but the tax must still be paid in the following year.

The goal of making these in-kind withdrawals/transfers is to deplete the RIFs and RLIFs while retaining all the investments: equities and ETFs.

Up until recently, my portfolio had no problem delivering more than 4% in annual dividend income Not today. A $50 stock that a few years ago which was paying a $3 annual dividend for a yield of 6% is today selling for $100. The $3 dividend now yields 3%. The dividend income remained constant in dollars but as yield expressed as a percentage it shrunk.

Thus far, this constant dollar income has not caused me any problems. For one thing, because I transfer so much to my TFSA annually, I have an annually increasing tax-free income. The same income goes farther and farther with each passing year. 

Both Telus and BCE have announced dividend increases and Fortis is likely to up its dividend. These little bumps in dividend income help when it comes to income in retirement but these do not neutralize the effect skyrocketing equities values have on my portfolio.

I was able to validate some of Fisher's claims. It may be true that slavishly withdrawing a full 4% annually from a retirement portfolio could threaten its very existence over time. I prefer to focus on the amount to be withdrawn from the portfolio.

I retired in 2009. Today I withdraw more money from my portfolio than I did when I retired but the percentage number has shrunk. Yes, that's right. My withdrawal in dollars has climbed while the percentage withdrawn has slid.

Now, without further adieu, a drum roll please, I present my Million Dollar portfolio with the annual yields expected as it existed in June 2021.

  • 1940 shares ALA. Annual yield: $1862.40
  • 410 shares BMO. Annual yield: $1738.40
  • 150 shares BNS. Annual yield: $540
  • 810 shares BCE. Annual yield: $2835
  • 330 shares CM. Annual yield: $1927.20
  • 615 shares EMA. Annual yield: $1568.25
  • 925 shares ENB. Annual yield: $2997
  • 620 shares FTS. Annual yield: $1252.40
  • 1135 shares H. Annual yield: $1146.35
  • 275 shares IGM. Annual yield: $618.75
  • 500 shares NA. Annual yield: $1420
  • 640 shares NTR. Annual yield: $1540
  • 350 shares RY. Annual yield: $1512
  • 655 shares TRP. Annual yield: $2122.20
  • 1420 shares T. Annual yield: $1661.40
  • 565 shares TD. Annual yield: $1785.40
  • 2400 shares ZDJ. Annual yield: $2112
  • 1000 shares ZPAY. Annual yield: $1920
  • 3870 shares XUS. Annual yield: $3908.70
  • 2500 shares VIU. Annual yield: $1600
  • Plus there's more than $90,000 in cash. It's good to have some cash for unseen disasters.
  • Anticipated Annual Dividend Income: $36,067.45. (Yield is 3.6% on original million dollars.)

Thanks to the cash balance, when I must, I can withdraw close to the 4% amount.

Let me point out that as funds are transferred to the TFSA, more and more future withdrawals become tax free income. A nice perk. When the in-kind withdrawals must go into a non-registered portfolio, the withdrawals will be taxed but as dividend income from Canadian companies. There may be some tax benefits.

Warning: One must be prepared for volatility. A correction is a fall value of 10% or more. A bear market kicks in when the market drops 20% or more in value. Corrections and bear markets are expected. Relax. You're an investor and not a speculator or gambler. You realize money is only lost when one sells. Your goal is to live on the dividends.

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If you've gotten this far, here's a financial advisor site that seems to offer a lot: Bellwether Investment Management. I liked the retirement calculator. And for another view on retirement, an absolutely excellent book is Retirement Income for Life by Frederick Vettese. He was the Chief Actuary at Morneau Shepell. His approach is different than mine but, unlike Fisher, he also sees four or even five percent withdrawals as possible.

I like Vettese and I may modify my own retirement plans based on his views. His argument for buying an annuity at some point, no later than the age of 80, is very persuasive.


Saturday, July 31, 2021

Does a retirement income portfolio have to be complicated?

A brochure from Fisher Investments Canada started me thinking about my retirement portfolio. 

My wife and I have been withdrawing more than Fisher claims is wise from our retirement funds for more than a decade. Could we be on the road to financial ruin?

Today, despite the annual withdrawals, our portfolio is much larger than when I retired. Are we just lucky or is it possible Fisher Investments Canada is wrong?

The brochure I was sent examines the different outcomes resulting from a range of withdrawal rates applied to a million dollar portfolio. I decided I'd create a million dollar demo portfolio. I wouldn't try to time the market. I would simply created a portfolio, track its performance and every month withdraw $3,330 to emulate the cash withdrawals one must make in retirement.


My withdrawal system works on the assumption that the retirement portfolio generates at least 4% annually in dividend income. With the portfolio growing so large so quickly, portfolio growth has outpaced dividend growth. For this reason, I rejigged my million dollar portfolio, adding a high dividend yielding ETF from the Bank of Montreal called ZPAY. Nevertheless, it is still necessary to withdraw some funds from cash to meet the 4% withdrawal demand.

Why did I add ZPAY? I did some research, ran some demo portfolios and checked historical returns. In each case, ZPAY performed as advertised. I even created a demo portfolio holding only ZPAY. The starting balance of the ZPAY portfolio equalled the value of the original portfolio at the time minus all expenses. 

The ZPAY portfolio is easily delivering more than 4% annually and today it is worth way more than a million dollars. Like my original portfolio, I make a monthly withdrawal of $3330 from the ZPAY portfolio. Still, the ZPAY portfolio is not growing at the same rate as the original portfolio. Owning a good mix of dividend paying stocks seems to be the way to go. Let's see what happens in 2022.

The big problem with a portfolio composed of only one ETF is just that; it is only one ETF. No one is going to invest like this even if it works. It sounds too risky. So, I created a three ETF portfolio that uses enough ZPAY to boost the dividend income to almost the full 4% yield. 

Next, I put 10% of the portfolio opening balance in the Vanguard Canadian High Dividend ETF VDY for exposure to Canadian equities while maintaining a high dividend yield. 

Lastly, I used the iShares ETF XEQT to give the portfolio global exposure. XEQT is weighted toward the U.S. but holds more than 9000 stocks from markets around the world including some from Canada. I named my three ETFs portfolio after its holdings and for the date it was created: XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21.

I withdraw $1665 monthly form my 3-ETF portfolio as this portfolio was created with a $500,000 investment. This equates to an annual 4% withdrawal rate.



Lastly, a fellow, who runs an excellent blog on investing, suggests one could simply invest in the iShares total portfolio ETF XGRO. XGRO is similar to XEQT but XGRO holds about 20% in bonds. This makes XGRO a very traditional portfolio. I'm using the $500,000 XGRO portfolio as a benchmark. Can my three ETF portfolio do as well or maybe even better than the Couch Potato suggestion? Time will tell. 

Because XGRO only makes four dividend payments annually, the 4% withdrawal will be done at the end of December.

Have I learned anything? Yes. I am more confident in my investing. Every portfolio I have created has done well. And I have created more than just the ones listed here. Don't be greedy. Invest for the long haul and be prepared to weather any downturns. I've gone through a number of large retreats in the market since retiring but I have not been left permanently damaged financially. Markets may go down but this is often followed by a very strong bull market.When it comes to my dividend income, it has remained rock solid through thick and thin.

If my wife agrees, we will soon be investing some of our funds in ZPAY. We don't hold any bonds. Admittedly, bonds add a little stability to a portfolio making it a little less volatility. This is often a good thing. Most of us handle the roller coaster ride of investing very poorly. When the market is up we are delighted but when the market is down many of us panic. Some of us even sell at a loss.

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Jan. 14th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Jan. 28, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,300,069          $46,770  

Jan. 28, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,256,130          $46,770

Jan. 28, 2021      XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $502,848             $10,115

Jan. 28, 2021      XGRO 7 12 21                            No longer following.

* The new monthly withdrawal amount for 2022 is $3480 for the million dollar portfolio and $1790 for the $500,000 portfolio. To get some idea of how XGRO does, try this LINK.

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Jan. 14th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Jan. 14, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,324,223          $46,770  

Jan. 14, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,256,532          $46,770

Jan. 14, 2021      XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $509,250             $10,115

Jan. 14, 2021      XGRO 7 12 21                            No longer following.

* The new monthly withdrawal amount for 2022 is $3480 for the million dollar portfolio and $1790 for the $500,000 portfolio.

END OF YEAR

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Dec. 31st Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Dec. 31, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,319,325          $43,290  

Dec. 31, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,285,814          $43,290

Dec. 31, 2021      XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $518,612             $8325

Dec. 31, 2021      XGRO 7 12 21                            $514,964*            $8325*

* The 4% withdrawal for XGRO was be done at the end of December, 2021. With actual retirement portfolios it is not uncommon to wait until December to remove the funds that have accumulated during the preceding year.

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Dec. 17th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Dec. 17, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,300,825          $43,290  

Dec. 17, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,293,070          $43,290

Dec. 17, 2021      XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $517,196             $8325

Dec. 17, 2021      XGRO 7 12 21                            $516,851*            $0*

* The 4% withdrawal for XGRO will be done at the end of December, 2021. With actual retirement portfolios it is not uncommon to wait until December to remove the funds that have accumulated during the preceding year.

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Dec. 12th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Dec. 12, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,295,431          $43,290  

Dec. 12, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,276,945          $43,290

Dec. 12, 2021      XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $514,450             $8325

Dec. 12, 2021      XGRO 7 12 21                            $518,625*            $0*

* The 4% withdrawal for XGRO will be done at the end of December, 2021. With actual retirement portfolios it is not uncommon to wait until December to remove the funds that have accumulated during the preceding year. 

   

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Nov. 12th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Nov. 12, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,296,685          $39,960  

Nov. 12, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,261,730          $39,960

Nov. 12, 2021      XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $513,521             $6660

Nov. 12, 2021      XGRO 7 12 21                            $523,555*            $0*

* The 4% withdrawal for XGRO will be done in December, 2021. With actual retirement portfolios it is not uncommon to wait until December to remove the funds that have accumulated during the preceding year.    

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Nov. 5th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Nov. 5, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,295,053          $39,960**  

Nov. 5, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,252,861          $39,960

Nov. 5, 2021     XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $509,857             $6660

Nov. 5, 2021     XGRO 7 12 21                            $520,795*            $0*  

** Sold all the remaing IGM shares and bought 300 shares of QSR  

* The 4% withdrawal for XGRO will be done in December, 2021. With actual retirement portfolios it is not uncommon to wait until December to remove the funds that have accumulated during the preceding year.         

       

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Oct. 22nd Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Oct. 22, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,281,790          $36,630   

Oct. 22, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,244,097          $36,630

Oct. 22, 2021     XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $503,946             $4995

Oct. 22, 2021     XGRO 7 12 21                            $509,160*            $0*                                                     

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Oct. 15th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Oct. 15, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,269,755          $36,630   

Oct. 15, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,238,050          $36,630

Oct. 15, 2021     XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $500,276             $4995

Oct. 15, 2021     XGRO 7 12 21                            $504,920*            $0*                                                    

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Oct. 2nd Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Oct. 2, 2021      $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,244,204          $36,630   

Oct. 2, 2021      $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,252,160          $36,630

Oct. 2, 2021     XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $500,989             $4995

Oct. 2, 2021     XGRO 7 12 21                            $500,090*            $0*                                                    

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Sept. 25th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Sept. 25, 2021    $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,260,907          $33,300   

Sept. 25, 2021    $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,269,600          $33,300

Sept. 25, 2021    XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $509,519             $3330

Sept. 25, 2021    XGRO 7 12 21                            $508,963*            $0*                                                     

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Sept. 18th Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Sept. 18, 2021    $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,263,289          $33,300   

Sept. 18, 2021    $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,272,018          $33,300

Sept. 18, 2021    XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $510,951             $3330

Sept. 18, 2021    XGRO 7 12 21                            $512,019*            $0*                                                     

 

Tracking Portfolio Values and Total Withdrawals (Sept. 1st Balances)

Date                Portfolio                                      Value Today       Withdrawals*

Sept. 1, 2021    $1,000,000 Original Portfolio     $1,264,197          $33,300   

Sept. 1, 2021    $1,000,000 ZPAY Portfolio         $1,261,335          $33,300

Sept. 1, 2021    XEQT VDY ZPAY 7 12 21          $509,150             $3330

Sept. 1, 2021    XGRO 7 12 21                            $515,076*            $0*                                                     

* The 4% withdrawal for XGRO will be done in December, 2021. With actual retirement portfolios it is not uncommon to wait until December to remove the funds that have accumulated during the preceding year. 

The cash withdrawal is in addition to the withdrawals stipulated by the government for RIFs and LIFs. I try to withdraw dividend cash to cover living expenses. To satisfy government withdrawal demands, I transfer ETF units or stock holdings (in-kind withdrawals) to either my TFSA or a non-registered account. I try to maximize my in-kind withdrawals without selling the dividend paying equities.

The value of the portfolios and the withdrawal amounts are updated at least once a month.

Background links:

3 ETF retirement portfolio allows 4% withdrawal annually

ZPAY vs original Million Dollar Portfolio

Does ZPAY act an an alternative investment?

Fisher Investments Canada 15-Minute Retirement Plan

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